KFAN Rumors Monday Afternoon

[TheLoneWolf]

KFAN.com's Doogie Wolfson says that it's a 10% chance and that the only way it works for minny is if they get a 3rd team involved

[Jaughn]

KFAN.com's Doogie Wolfson says that it's a 10% chance and that the only way it works for minny is if they get a 3rd team involved

*Whew* I really don't want to trade Foye for AI

[tpupfan21]

Yeah, I still think it could happen, but I'm beginning to waver on whether or not I want it too. I think we'd have a legit shot at winning a title with KG and AI, but when it comes to Foye, I haven't been this excited/optimistic about a wolves player since Marbury. So I'd be excited about a trade, but I find myself feeling less and less distraught if it doesn't go down.

[jersey wolf]

in my most humble opinion, this is a no brainer. you give up foye for AI and make sure you manage all other contracts so that they come off the books with or before KG and AI.

that said, if we don't get AI i can completely see a 180 happen and KG is the next big name to hit rumor-ville. and if we don't get AI, KG should be packing his bags.

in essence, this trade (whatever it is) should change the entire face of the wolves. either we make one last run at a championship with KG/AI, or we start anew with foye. either way, i am fine. status quo is not an option.

[rkappiyo]

status quo is not an option.

Why not? The Wolves are doing great recently, and I think that they have a shot at doing something great this season, but no one even seems to pay attention to the current Wolves anymore. Come on, they just finished beating one of the hotter teams in the NBA (the Bulls had won their last 7) on their own court, and what's more, they never trailed the entire game! Everyone is still caught up in the negativity of last season. These Wolves aren't the same, they can actually do something this season.

[echoes]

Didnt we all already know a 3rd team had to be involved for the trade to work?

That was a given, given what Philly wanted in return.

[Craig CookieMonster Smith]

Doogie is as reliable as a doormat, and half as interesting.

[socco]

that said, if we don't get AI i can completely see a 180 happen and KG is the next big name to hit rumor-ville. and if we don't get AI, KG should be packing his bags.
That wasn't even an option a week ago, why the sudden change? The only thing that changed is that we went on a 4 game winning streak.

[jersey wolf]

Why not? The Wolves are doing great recently, and I think that they have a shot at doing something great this season, but no one even seems to pay attention to the current Wolves anymore. Come on, they just finished beating one of the hotter teams in the NBA (the Bulls had won their last 7) on their own court, and what's more, they never trailed the entire game! Everyone is still caught up in the negativity of last season. These Wolves aren't the same, they can actually do something this season.


personally, i would like to see some semblance to a plan for this franchise. either make one last run at a championship with KG (bringing in AI makes it legitimate, the current roster does not) or blowing this up and building for the future. which i've discussed ad nauseum in the past 18 months.

[m26556]

A poster on the KFAN board has a pretty good source who says that it is a done deal. Iverson is coming to the Timberwolves. The deal has been done since Friday, but they are just working out some details. The source also nailed down the Marko Jaric for Cassell deal and the Szczerbiak deal last year. He also stated that Chris Webber may be involved, signifying that a three-team deal may be underway. I don't know how much stock you guys can put into this, but the source seems pretty reliable.

[rkappiyo]

personally, i would like to see some semblance to a plan for this franchise. either make one last run at a championship with KG (bringing in AI makes it legitimate, the current roster does not) or blowing this up and building for the future. which i've discussed ad nauseum in the past 18 months.

You didn't answer my question. Why doesn't the current roster make a championship run legitimate? The schedule for the Wolves up until now was far from easy, and their three best players hadn't played together before. I'm not sure if they've turned the corner quite yet, but I do believe that the Wolves have a shot at the title with the roster they have. Give them a little more time to gel, and I think that they will become a team to beat.

[nicbball22]

How much room do the bobcats have in capspace i'd think this would be the team that we could get to possibly help in the deal us and or philly would have to make it worth their while though n i honestly think the sixers can get more of what they want from someone else unless they really like marko, trenton, or trenton in some combination ha or if they were dumb enough to take troy hudson off our hands we'd be set but there's just soo many things that would have to be worked out when it seems like other teams have better pieces to offer.

[m26556]

You didn't answer my question. Why doesn't the current roster make a championship run legitimate? The schedule for the Wolves up until now was far from easy, and their three best players hadn't played together before. I'm not sure if they've turned the corner quite yet, but I do believe that the Wolves have a shot at the title with the roster they have. Give them a little more time to gel, and I think that they will become a team to beat.
I'm one of the most optimistic fans around, and even I don't believe that this team can make a title run. Sure, we have looked good lately, but what if we go back into a tailspin and start playing like we were before our four-game winning streak? I honestly don't think we have enough to win the title with our current roster.

[jersey wolf]

link please (to the board)

[m26556]

link please (to the board)
http://rubechat.kfan.com/forums/thread/1131188.aspx

[echoes]

i read the same thing, but who knows.

I never read the KFAN board last year around Wally time, or 2 years ago with Marko Cassell.

Doogie, however, seemed to acknowledge his source as credible.

[jersey wolf]

You didn't answer my question. Why doesn't the current roster make a championship run legitimate? The schedule for the Wolves up until now was far from easy, and their three best players hadn't played together before. I'm not sure if they've turned the corner quite yet, but I do believe that the Wolves have a shot at the title with the roster they have. Give them a little more time to gel, and I think that they will become a team to beat.


agree to disagree. i couldn't disagree more with you that this team is NOWHERE near championship caliber. the nba season is a marathon, not a sprint. yes, the wolves are playing well in the last 2 weeks. the minutes that are few bigs are logging will catch up with them at some point this season IMO.

i'll stop there ...

[Jaughn]

agree to disagree. i couldn't disagree more with you that this team is NOWHERE near championship caliber. the nba season is a marathon, not a sprint. yes, the wolves are playing well in the last 2 weeks. the minutes that are few bigs are logging will catch up with them at some point this season IMO.

i'll stop there ...

I remember hearing the same thing a few years ago when the Wolves were 9 and 7. Give this team 10 more games and tell me they don't look tremendous.

[m26556]

I remember hearing the same thing a few years ago when the Wolves were 9 and 7. Give this team 10 more games and tell me they don't look tremendous.
We had Latrell Sprewell and Sam Cassell that year..

[echoes]

I'll save you three weeks and tell you now.....They're not tremendous

[Legend of It]

OMG you guys, are you kidding me?! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
Bring it on, San Antonio!

[TheLoneWolf]

well it doesn't look all that credible. He said his "source" may have got it wronf. Also as for someone who posts on KFAN i do not see that poster around very much

[m26556]

OMG you guys, are you kidding me?! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
Bring it on, San Antonio!
lol. Don't jump the gun too soon. Just because he predicted two deals correctly doesn't mean he'll get this one right..However, I have a better feeling now taking into account the previous accuracy of this source.

[rkappiyo]

I'm one of the most optimistic fans around, and even I don't believe that this team can make a title run. Sure, we have looked good lately, but what if we go back into a tailspin and start playing like we were before our four-game winning streak? I honestly don't think we have enough to win the title with our current roster.

I think that most of this is because how bad we have done in the last 2 seasons. The 03-04 season started similarly with a much easier schedule, but no one was very negative about it because we had at least been in the playoffs consistently. I think that this roster is very similar to the roster of that season. I think that James is as good a player, if not better than Sam, and Davis (if he decides to consistently play defense) is as good as Spree. I know that neither of those guys have the big game reputations that Sam and Spree has, but look at the way the Wolves play in the 4th quarter recently. They play great, so, from the looks of it, they play well under pressure. Also, the rest of the roster is better than it was in that year.

[m26556]

well it doesn't look all that credible. He said his "source" may have got it wronf. Also as for someone who posts on KFAN i do not see that poster around very much
Well twolves28 was hardly ever around here unless there were trade rumors going around. Maybe he just comes to report rumors?

[Legend of It]

WIll any kind of a deal get done tonight? Are they going t o have anything on THE HOTLIST on ESPNNEWS?

[TheLoneWolf]

was listening to Dan Patrick on espn radio. he was on with Reggie Miller. Miller said he talked to King today and he said that Philly is looking for the best deal. Miller said that charlotte has nothing to offer when it comes to players. They talked about how AI does not fit with kobe or pierce but does fit with KG. Most interesting thing he said was that if he was mchale he would not trade Foye because he is a future star



Also back to the orginial post- If it was done on Friday it would have leaked out by now

[m26556]

WIll any kind of a deal get done tonight? Are they going t o have anything on THE HOTLIST on ESPNNEWS?
They're talking about it with Chris Broussard right now.

[Legend of It]

What radio station you guys?

[m26556]

Broussard said he doesn't think Iverson could play with Boston or Denver. He said the best fits for AI would be Minnesota or Dallas.

[m26556]

What radio station you guys?
ESPNews. Over now though.

[Jaughn]

I'll save you three weeks and tell you now.....They're not tremendous

How is being 3rd best in points allowed with the 5th highest strength of schedule not tremendous? How about holding their opponents to 43.46% FG and 32% 3FG, good for 2nd and 4th best, respectively? How about being 8th in Steals and 9th in Blocks?

The offensive end is a different story. It is a work in progress, but you can see them starting to figure each other out and see where they want the ball on the court. This team will only get better on the offensive end and improve their points per game.

[Legend of It]

Mark Cuban said not interested. Unless the clippers are be really quiet, we may have him by tonight or tommorow, eh?

[vlad]

I think that most of this is because how bad we have done in the last 2 seasons. The 03-04 season started similarly with a much easier schedule, but no one was very negative about it because we had at least been in the playoffs consistently. I think that this roster is very similar to the roster of that season. I think that James is as good a player, if not better than Sam, and Davis (if he decides to consistently play defense) is as good as Spree. I know that neither of those guys have the big game reputations that Sam and Spree has, but look at the way the Wolves play in the 4th quarter recently. They play great, so, from the looks of it, they play well under pressure. Also, the rest of the roster is better than it was in that year.
i think that RD is much better then Spree. but Sam was scorring at will that year. we were killing teams in 4th quater after being down by 10-12 points. everything was falling for us. and i think our team is better overall, but look at other teams now. seasoned phoenix, san antonio with matured and much improved parker and ginibili, dallas with a great defence. even denver is so deep and melo is on the rise.
clippers is still a threat.
we are about 5-6 th team in the west roaster wise. plus we have a terrible coach.
AI compensates for all of that. and he doesn't listen to a coach anyway. :)

[tpupfan21]

This report is baffling. Webber's now involved? Who's the third team then? New York has been reported to be interested in CWebb, but who can they trade that'd help the sixer's cap problems? Can't imagine there's anybody else interested in CWebb.

[Legend of It]

Who cares about listening to a coach, practicing and if or not you should wear a headband. (refering to AI; however I love the guy)


Also,
I don't know why Coach Skiles would make Big Ben take of his headband. What is wrong with headbands?

[rkappiyo]

i think that RD is much better then Spree. but Sam was scorring at will that year. we were killing teams in 4th quater after being down by 10-12 points. everything was falling for us. and i think our team is better overall, but look at other teams now. seasoned phoenix, san antonio with matured and much improved parker and ginibili, dallas with a great defence. even denver is so deep and melo is on the rise.
clippers is still a threat.
we are about 5-6 th team in the west roaster wise. plus we have a terrible coach.
AI compensates for all of that. and he doesn't listen to a coach anyway. :)

I think that the current Wolves can compete with Phoenix, San Antonio, and Dallas. The time when the Wolves played against Dallas I think they put up a decent fight even though their offensive chemistry was still clearly lacking. On the other hand, I do agree that we have a terrible coach. If we don't go deep in the playoffs, I think you can put most of the blame at Casey's feet.

Also, the Wolves are doing pretty good in the 4th quarter this year, too.

[echoes]

How is being 3rd best in points allowed with the 5th highest strength of schedule not tremendous? How about holding their opponents to 43.46% FG and 32% 3FG, good for 2nd and 4th best, respectively? How about being 8th in Steals and 9th in Blocks?

The offensive end is a different story. It is a work in progress, but you can see them starting to figure each other out and see where they want the ball on the court. This team will only get better on the offensive end and improve their points per game.

I wont argue that our defense is good, but it's nothing compared to how good other teams in the West are in all facets of the game. One aspect that you overlooked in your myriad of stats is rebounding. It is and has been our Achilles Heel for years

At our absolute best we are 5-6th in the West
1.)Mavs
2.)Suns
3.)Spurs
4.)Utah
5.)Denver
6.)Lakers, Wolves, Rockets, Clips

[Legend of It]

Remember AI, he doesn't listen to a coach or doesn't practice. That's a godo thing he won't listen to casey.:drunk: We will win championship!

[jond2062]

I think that most of this is because how bad we have done in the last 2 seasons. The 03-04 season started similarly with a much easier schedule, but no one was very negative about it because we had at least been in the playoffs consistently. I think that this roster is very similar to the roster of that season. I think that James is as good a player, if not better than Sam, and Davis (if he decides to consistently play defense) is as good as Spree. I know that neither of those guys have the big game reputations that Sam and Spree has, but look at the way the Wolves play in the 4th quarter recently. They play great, so, from the looks of it, they play well under pressure. Also, the rest of the roster is better than it was in that year.

James is nowhere near the player Cassell was in 03-04. Cassell could do something that no Timberwolf outside of KG has ever been able to do: hit mid-range jumpers at a 60-75% rate. Cassell was basically unstoppable running the pick and roll with KG.

That consistency along with amazing 3-pt shooting from Hoiberg and a defensive center in EJ allowed us to win 58 games and head to the WCF.

[Fishpepin]

The knicks have lots of expiring contracts after this year

[Legend of It]

At least he doesn't look like an Alien.

[tpupfan21]

The knicks have lots of expiring contracts after this year

Yeah, but none of them are tradeable. The salaries are for Allan Houston, Jalen Rose, Shandon Anderson, and Maurice Taylor, but none of those guys are on the roster anymore and therefore can't be traded. Unless they got some sort of exception for any of those guys that I'm not aware of, they can't offer Philly any expiring contracts.

[echoes]

The knicks have lots of expiring contracts after this year
no they dont, as a matter of fact they have none.
Several that expire in 2 years

[echoes]

KFAN Doogie:
actually the guy I talked to isn't super solid...I will trust your guy who nailed the Marko deal...I want it to happen badly....the 10% guess might be lots of opinion on my part just not having faith.

I don't blame you for not having faith. Hard to with this GM's track record. I will remind you though, he did pull off deals to bring in Spree and Sam when that didn't seem possible. So even McHale can get it right once in a while.

I think its us. I really do. None of the other teams make sense. Boston has better talent to offer, but you can not trade your franchise player to your main rival in your division and give them an instant playoff contender for the next few years. You just can't do that. I would be stunned if that happened. I believe that is why it didn't happen this summer. They were enticed by Boston's young players, but in the end, they just couldn't stomach it. Don't see how that changes.

The other teams that have the right kind of packages don't make any sense at all. Teams like Dallas, New Orleans, Charlotte, etc... make no sense whatsover basketball wise.

I don't see who else it would be but us. It makes sense for them, they get Foye, the guy they wanted all along, and they might even get rid of Webber in this deal too. Plus they get Iverson out of the East. For us, no other player in the NBA makes more sense for Iverson to play with than KG. They are a perfect fit. This gives us a 3 year window to make a run at a title.

I hope my buddy is on point with this one. He was very confident. We'll see. One other thing makes me think he's right and that the deal is already done. He said on Frida that they would announce it Tuesday, and all the key people on espn.com are saying something is going to be done today and announced tonight or Tuesday.

I'm not trying to build the hype here, I am more tallking myself into believing it than anything. If my guys' wrong I'll be the idiot. But I just don't think he is on this one.

Peace

[TheLoneWolf]

Stephen A.Smith had no mention of the wolves a few min ago. He said GS/Indy/Boston

[rkappiyo]

Stephen A.Smith had no mention of the wolves a few min ago. He said GS/Indy/Boston

That means absolutely nothing. Stephen A. Smith is an idiot.

[TheLoneWolf]

Philly is supposedly looking for Draft picks/Expiring contracts/Youth


sure don't hope King is looking to get all of that in one deal


We really only have 1 of those 3

[rkappiyo]

James is nowhere near the player Cassell was in 03-04. Cassell could do something that no Timberwolf outside of KG has ever been able to do: hit mid-range jumpers at a 60-75% rate. Cassell was basically unstoppable running the pick and roll with KG.

That consistency along with amazing 3-pt shooting from Hoiberg and a defensive center in EJ allowed us to win 58 games and head to the WCF.

I believe that given time, Mike James will eventually find his stroke and be able to score again like last year. Even if he doesn't, Mark Blount is doing pretty well with the mid-range jumpers. As for the defensive center part, our defense is doing pretty well this year. In fact, I think it is doing better than it was in 03-04. The only thing that I think that we're missing from that season is the 3-pt shooting that you mentioned (and really bad coaching), which I think is made up for by a better bench, and better overall defense.

[Jaughn]

I wont argue that our defense is good, but it's nothing compared to how good other teams in the West are in all facets of the game. One aspect that you overlooked in your myriad of stats is rebounding. It is and has been our Achilles Heel for years

At our absolute best we are 5-6th in the West
1.)Mavs
2.)Suns
3.)Spurs
4.)Utah
5.)Denver
6.)Lakers, Wolves, Rockets, Clips

Very true, but how does AI fix this problem? In fact, this probably makes us worse in that department because AI is 160 lbs and that he is only shooting 41% this year. If anything, this needs to trade for a stout rebounder to pair with KG to create more fast break opportunities for James, Davis, and Foye. Not trade a 3 or 4 for 1, get worse on the defensive end and rebounding to score more points.

[Jaughn]

Philly is supposedly looking for Draft picks/Expiring contracts/Youth


sure don't hope King is looking to get all of that in one deal


We really only have 1 of those 3

If a team did that, they would be crazy to mortgage their entire future on a 160 lbs, 40% shooting, whose career is over when he loses a step, kind of player. I can't think of any decent GM who would ever consider doing such a thing. AI will go for cheap, just like Vince Carter and Steve Francis.

[TheLoneWolf]

Chris Broussard said on espnews that now teams have until tonight to submit final offers and that this may drag out longer then expected. Great.

Also Dallas/Boston/Sacto have expressed the most interest

Dallas has offered Harris/Stack/Chroshere

[WallyWorld]

1. Dont trade Foye.
2. I really do not think AI will get traded for awhile. A repeat of the Artest situation, where some obscure deal will go down that noone predicted.

[RAW]

1. Dont trade Foye.
2. I really do not think AI will get traded for awhile. A repeat of the Artest situation, where some obscure deal will go down that noone predicted.

Peja for Artest wasn't obscure, that was talked about for weeks. I even remember Barkley talking about it on Inside the NBA about a year earlier.

[buchkoba00]

At least he doesn't look like an Alien.

Win.

[Macwolf]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=193~3003~997~353~255~739~366~3 011~897~2799&teams=20~20~20~18~20~20~16~16~18~16

It could also change the landscape of the teams for the better. Initially anyway. Sixers clear out some
weight in attitudes gearing for the future behind Foye. New York get some veteran help that could infuse a little something
to jumpstart a still early season for them. Minnesota....Iverson, nuff said.

[NIN]

KFAN.com's Doogie Wolfson says that it's a 10% chance and that the only way it works for minny is if they get a 3rd team involved

Does he say who the favorites are?

[tpupfan21]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=193~3003~997~353~255~739~366~3 011~897~2799&teams=20~20~20~18~20~20~16~16~18~16

It could also change the landscape of the teams for the better. Initially anyway.

Based on what we've heard about what the Sixers want, though, that trade doesn't make any sense. No young talent, no draft picks, no salary relief coming from New York.

[NIN]

1. Dont trade Foye.
2. I really do not think AI will get traded for awhile. A repeat of the Artest situation, where some obscure deal will go down that noone predicted.

You're going to lose Foye if the Wolves get AI. There is no way that AI won't cost Foye.

[The PUPs]

You didn't answer my question. Why doesn't the current roster make a championship run legitimate? The schedule for the Wolves up until now was far from easy, and their three best players hadn't played together before. I'm not sure if they've turned the corner quite yet, but I do believe that the Wolves have a shot at the title with the roster they have. Give them a little more time to gel, and I think that they will become a team to beat.
Someone loves drinking the Wolves Kool-Aid. Just remember this post when the wolves finish 39-43. :beer:

[m26556]

Someone loves drinking the Wolves Kool-Aid. Just remember this post when the wolves finish 39-43. :beer:
I think we can win around 50 with our current roster, but I don't think we can advance any further in the playoffs than the Western Conference Semi-Finals.

[60 Cent]

Well twolves28 was hardly ever around here unless there were trade rumors going around. Maybe he just comes to report rumors?

He's in Switzerland now.

[60 Cent]

I think we can win around 50 with our current roster, but I don't think we can advance any further in the playoffs than the Western Conference Semi-Finals.

I think they're a first round exit at best.

Are they better than?

Phoenix
San Antonio
Denver
Houston
Dallas

[m26556]

I think they're a first round exit at best.

Are they better than?

Phoenix
San Antonio
Denver
Houston
Dallas
Phoenix- No.
San Antonio- No.
Denver- Yes.
Houston- Yes.
Dallas- No.

[Dill Gatez]

no luck on jasner

"he's covering the Sixers-Port. game...watching on the dish and think I see him courtside...man, no one is there...I am still hopeful something can happen, but also pessimistic...made the wallpaper on my laptop Iverson in a Wolves uni...I want it to happen badly. " - Doogie

[60 Cent]

no luck on jasner

"he's covering the Sixers-Port. game...watching on the dish and think I see him courtside...man, no one is there...I am still hopeful something can happen, but also pessimistic...made the wallpaper on my laptop Iverson in a Wolves uni...I want it to happen badly. " - Doogie

Jasner is the Sixers beat writer. He's not going to get a hold of him tonight.

[Dill Gatez]

Tom hit up jeff munioke hes got the info man. lol , I would but dont have his number.

[Dill Gatez]

McHale wont give up Foye ???? wow hes going to **** this up again.