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  1. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by dschroeder01 View Post
    I agree that a player like Batum used to be would fit much better than Wiggins, but Batum really has slipped and age/injury is a huge concern IMO. He's already slipped and it's not like it would be just one more year. It'd be 3 more years of declining play for $75M. I think Charlotte would jump at the chance to deal Batum for Wiggins.

    The only way I'd gamble on Batum is if we're getting Kemba Walker too. Otherwise, there has to be a better deal out there for Wiggins.
    His play has generally been the same the past couple of years. His VORP went down this season but he also played 700 fewer minutes (VORP is tied in part to how much someone plays). Shooting was similar. Scoring was down but they also added Dwight Howard so I figured that was to be expected. His PER 36 scoring last season was in line with his career numbers. The two seasons in Portland (not his last but two prior to that) were probably more anomalies for his career than what he's done in Charlotte. Again, he's vastly overpaid but he would be the kind of guy on *this* team that would be an improvement because he functions well without the ball and can play defense. We don't have that at all on this team other than Tyus.

    If we're getting 11-5-5 with a 42-35-83 shooting split (slightly below his career averages), I'm ok with it for Wiggins straight up. Yeah, there are flags with his health but I'm shaving two years off of Wiggins' deal for a guy who isn't going to be needed to do much on offense and is going to be reliable defensively. Is it the best deal for us? Arguably not because of the contract but I'd rather this type of deal than getting someone with a bad contract and can't contribute defensively.

    I don't think we can land Kemba without trading away picks and Teague...and I don't know if Walker is the kind of guy who, with Butler AND KAT, would work well here. If we're going to get anyone to be a third scorer type, we need a shooter who will essentially function well standing out on the perimeter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dschroeder01 View Post
    They're interested in Young? After just taking Fox last year? Interesting. They're also pretty high on Bogdanovic from what I've read so they'd be looking at quite the minutes crunch in the backcourt with Young, Fox, Bogdanovic and Hield. Wiggins would give them a SF at least.

    Even if it's not the Kings, I think there's still a Wiggins deal out there that would help the team. We will probably have to take back more "bad" salary than we would with the Kings.
    They had been at one point prior to bouncing to 2 and I think they are bringing Young in before the draft for a workout. Supposedly they are committed to Fox *BUT* there's stuff about the Kings really getting worried about Fox's play.

    I'd guess they still go with Bagley or Layton.
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  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by The Country Club View Post
    As much as SAC's front office is idiotic, I can't see Hield being moved for Wiggins, especially if they draft Trae Young. Hield will probably become a much better fit being a spot shooter around Young, IMO.
    Young is the guy that feels like a bust to me, so I’m sure SAC will be all over him.


  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by The Country Club View Post
    His play has generally been the same the past couple of years. His VORP went down this season but he also played 700 fewer minutes (VORP is tied in part to how much someone plays). Shooting was similar. Scoring was down but they also added Dwight Howard so I figured that was to be expected. His PER 36 scoring last season was in line with his career numbers. The two seasons in Portland (not his last but two prior to that) were probably more anomalies for his career than what he's done in Charlotte. Again, he's vastly overpaid but he would be the kind of guy on *this* team that would be an improvement because he functions well without the ball and can play defense. We don't have that at all on this team other than Tyus.

    If we're getting 11-5-5 with a 42-35-83 shooting split (slightly below his career averages), I'm ok with it for Wiggins straight up. Yeah, there are flags with his health but I'm shaving two years off of Wiggins' deal for a guy who isn't going to be needed to do much on offense and is going to be reliable defensively. Is it the best deal for us? Arguably not because of the contract but I'd rather this type of deal than getting someone with a bad contract and can't contribute defensively.

    I don't think we can land Kemba without trading away picks and Teague...and I don't know if Walker is the kind of guy who, with Butler AND KAT, would work well here. If we're going to get anyone to be a third scorer type, we need a shooter who will essentially function well standing out on the perimeter.
    I wouldn't do it straight up but if you could get Monk it becomes much more appealing to me. I may settle for adding in Gorgui and taking back one of the other guys on the team that have a contract that is similar and would be better for our roster i.e. MKG, Lamb, or Williams. I may not do that deal but it could be a potential option if Wiggins value is very low which we won't have much ability to gauge from the outside.


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    Australian swingman Ryan Broekhoff will visit Washington, Brooklyn, Minnesota and Milwaukee for interviews/individual workouts this week, agent Andy Shiffman told HoopsHype.

    6:02 AM - Jun 12, 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by Suspicious Sal (Canis) View Post
    Signing Broekhoff would be awesome. Shot 49% from 3 last year and lead the Eurocup in BPM by a wide margin. He is a very low usage player, a 3 point specialist who took a decent 6.5 but not great 3PA per 40 minutes.

    From Australia, played college ball in the US, has played a lot for the Australian National team. He is my favorite European free agent aside from guys like Nando de Colo who have sign-ability issues.

    Oh and he's a 6'7 wing. Not a ball-handler. Classic 3 & D guy.


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    https://www.basketball-reference.com...oekhoff-1.html

    Stats in European competition.

    Poor man's Ingles? (Not as good a passer but can check the 3/D box?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEvine View Post
    HoopsHype✔@hoopshype
    Australian swingman Ryan Broekhoff will visit Washington, Brooklyn, Minnesota and Milwaukee for interviews/individual workouts this week, agent Andy Shiffman told HoopsHype.

    6:02 AM - Jun 12, 2018
    I'm sold. Sign him up! Don't let him go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Country Club View Post
    https://www.basketball-reference.com...oekhoff-1.html

    Stats in European competition.

    Poor man's Ingles? (Not as good a passer but can check the 3/D box?)
    At this point....who cares if he can pass the flippin ball? Just give me someone who can shoot the lights out and has general skill.


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    I like his three point form in general. High release, very repeatable shot form with great arc and good flow to his shots. I could go either way. I think there are issues with redundancy if we keep Bjelica and I think, like Bjelica, the NBA pace will pose problems. We likely won't get much of the dribble penetration he is showing in the highlight vids. So assuming that's gone and he gets played close, is he able to hit those same shots, with the high release point, with a hand in his face and his man right on him? I think it is possible because he seems very focused when he is shooting and doesn't seem to get distracted by close coverage. All that said, I much prefer tried and true college or NBA three point shooters. I think the pace of the game is just so much faster in the United States and the athleticism is a totally different thing in the NBA.

    Scratch that. The dude clearly has game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t5kmcIHhpE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick K View Post
    At this point....who cares if he can pass the flippin ball? Just give me someone who can shoot the lights out and has general skill.
    "Not as good" is a relative term. Ingles is arguably one of the best passing role player wings & bigs in the league.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/BPoZc

    If Broekhoff's assist rate ticks up in the NBA, which typically happens with guys coming here compared to elsewhere, he'd probably end up averaging 2.5-3 assists/36. That's still quite good for a 3/D low usage wing. That'd put him around Royce and Markieff as a comparable on assist rate.

    If you look at that list I sent...Batum and James Johnson are two other names on that list. They are guys I absolutely want here despite awful contracts...I think they'd really help break the offensive logjam. Kyle Anderson is another one.

    I do kinda care that he's able to pass it. And he can in Europe. Ingles averaged 3.3/36 in Euro ball, which was quite good for a role guy. If Ryan's doing 2...it's completely solid.

    I'm in...I'd throw $$$ at the guy
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  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by The Country Club View Post
    "Not as good" is a relative term. Ingles is arguably one of the best passing role player wings & bigs in the league.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/BPoZc

    If Broekhoff's assist rate ticks up in the NBA, which typically happens with guys coming here compared to elsewhere, he'd probably end up averaging 2.5-3 assists/36. That's still quite good for a 3/D low usage wing. That'd put him around Royce and Markieff as a comparable on assist rate.

    If you look at that list I sent...Batum and James Johnson are two other names on that list. They are guys I absolutely want here despite awful contracts...I think they'd really help break the offensive logjam. Kyle Anderson is another one.

    I do kinda care that he's able to pass it. And he can in Europe. Ingles averaged 3.3/36 in Euro ball, which was quite good for a role guy. If Ryan's doing 2...it's completely solid.

    I'm in...I'd throw $$$ at the guy
    Can we sign him right now? I'd assume so if we are having him in for a visit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cory View Post
    Can we sign him right now? I'd assume so if we are having him in for a visit.
    Not until July 6th, I believe.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q120
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  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by The Country Club View Post
    "Not as good" is a relative term. Ingles is arguably one of the best passing role player wings & bigs in the league.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/BPoZc

    If Broekhoff's assist rate ticks up in the NBA, which typically happens with guys coming here compared to elsewhere, he'd probably end up averaging 2.5-3 assists/36. That's still quite good for a 3/D low usage wing. That'd put him around Royce and Markieff as a comparable on assist rate.

    If you look at that list I sent...Batum and James Johnson are two other names on that list. They are guys I absolutely want here despite awful contracts...I think they'd really help break the offensive logjam. Kyle Anderson is another one.

    I do kinda care that he's able to pass it. And he can in Europe. Ingles averaged 3.3/36 in Euro ball, which was quite good for a role guy. If Ryan's doing 2...it's completely solid.

    I'm in...I'd throw $$$ at the guy
    He's also a very good rebounder for a wing. The past 2 years he's been almost at 8/36 (with almost 6 of them on the defensive glass). That's a big weakness of ours - especially with Taj in the game.


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    Assuming BRK signs him (which would be my hunch because they will have some cash to burn), they will probably not re-up Joe Harris. And I'd definitely take a look at Joe Harris as a low cost option.
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    Courtesy of the Ringer - https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6...ern-conference

    Minnesota Timberwolves
    Biggest need: Shooting

    A glance at the Wolves’ payroll will spook you. They owe $15 million next season to Gorgui Dieng (and a total of $48 million over the next three years), $19 million each of the next two seasons to Jeff Teague, and $25 million to Andrew Wiggins as part of a contract that will keep his annual salary rising all the way to $33 million in 2022-23. They’ll also have the option to offer extensions to Karl-Anthony Towns and Jimmy Butler this summer. The former feels like a safe bet, but the latter will be more complicated, considering Butler’s age (28) and recent knee injury. All of their free agents this offseason are restricted and largely inconsequential. It will be difficult for them to find cheap improvements to round out their already shoddy depth and poor shooting. Their only option is to run it back, hope for improvement, and maybe ponder some difficult trades to open up their future.

    Friendly suggestion: Try to get someone to fall in love with Wiggins, I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Country Club View Post
    Assuming BRK signs him (which would be my hunch because they will have some cash to burn), they will probably not re-up Joe Harris. And I'd definitely take a look at Joe Harris as a low cost option.
    I would love Joe Harris but I'm not so sure he's going to be a low cost option. Or, perhaps better stated, there will be plenty of suitors who can offer him as much money as us (e.g. some amount of non-taxpayer MLE, which is up to $8.9m) for his services. There is plenty of demand for wings, and he's right after the top tier of wings FA (Avery Bradley, KCP, Ariza, Barton) so I imagine he'll have no shortage of interest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by da_blueprint View Post
    I would love Joe Harris but I'm not so sure he's going to be a low cost option. Or, perhaps better stated, there will be plenty of suitors who can offer him as much money as us (e.g. some amount of non-taxpayer MLE, which is up to $8.9m) for his services. There is plenty of demand for wings, and he's right after the top tier of wings FA (Avery Bradley, KCP, Ariza, Barton) so I imagine he'll have no shortage of interest.
    I wonder if his poor defense will drive his price down somewhat?


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    Biggest need shooting? Shooting is a need but the biggest issue with this team is defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf on the Prowl View Post
    Biggest need shooting? Shooting is a need but the biggest issue with this team is defense.
    Be nice to have a coach that understands modern offense.

    Our guy is coaching defense like every team we play is the Timberwolves...


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    Quote Originally Posted by LEvine View Post
    Be nice to have a coach that understands modern offense.

    Our guy is coaching defense like every team we play is the Timberwolves...
    He's coaching defense? Could have fooled me.
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