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  1. #361
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEvine View Post
    Okafor signs with the Pelicans.

    A source told ESPN that Okafor's deal includes a partial guarantee for the 2018-19 season and a team option for the following season.

    Continues the hard fall of the #3 pick of 2015.
    Ouch. If he were a Wolf he probably would have had a max deal though!
    Inching back towards the wagon...slowly...


  2. #362
    Woj reporting that Noah is on track for waive and stretch in September. Should we write his name in pencil or ink on the depth chart?

    If the Wolves could flip G for a wing, I wouldn't hate Noah for the minimum, but that's unlikely. Adding Noah likely only further depresses G's value.


  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by dschroeder01 View Post
    Woj reporting that Noah is on track for waive and stretch in September. Should we write his name in pencil or ink on the depth chart?

    If the Wolves could flip G for a wing, I wouldn't hate Noah for the minimum, but that's unlikely. Adding Noah likely only further depresses G's value.
    Right now we only have 2 Centers, G and KAT. With Noah's injury history do you feel comfortable losing G? I would bring Noah in as a 3rd Center and play him situational though.

    Late in the 4th qtr I can see Noah and Towns playing well together.


  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by Nick K View Post
    Right now we only have 2 Centers, G and KAT. With Noah's injury history do you feel comfortable losing G? I would bring Noah in as a 3rd Center and play him situational though.

    Late in the 4th qtr I can see Noah and Towns playing well together.
    This may be true in a very black-and-white / textbook definition of "Center position" type of way. But if you think of it more as needing minutes from "bigs" then Taj can easily cover some minutes too. And more broadly, teams are relying less and less on traditional Centers anyway, so we should easily be able to get away with spot minutes where we play small, without a traditional center (not to mention hopefully, someday, Justin Patton will be able to crack the rotation too).

    Another way to think of this is-- our Center rotation went three-deep last year, with Cole on the roster. And yet Aldrich never received minutes outside of garbage time. That effectively means we don't need to be worrying about our Center rotation being occupied by three pure centers.

    Further, late in the 4th quarter is when teams are most willing to go small and rely on spacing and outside shooting. Playing Noah and Towns together would absolutely cripple Towns's ability to occupy the block. Noah's range barely extended past 3 ft when he was healthy, and he hasn't been healthy in two years. It's hard for me to think of times in the game where playing Towns & Noah together would be more damaging.

    Lastly, the NBA is flush with centers right now. If we do manage to get out from G's contract, I would have no problem looking to waiver wire type dudes to fill in. Keep in mind: Greg Monroe just signed a minimum contract. Amile Jefferson signed a two-way contract with Magic. Guys that can cover 5-10 minutes at the 5-spot are readily available.


  5. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by da_blueprint View Post
    This may be true in a very black-and-white / textbook definition of "Center position" type of way. But if you think of it more as needing minutes from "bigs" then Taj can easily cover some minutes too. And more broadly, teams are relying less and less on traditional Centers anyway, so we should easily be able to get away with spot minutes where we play small, without a traditional center (not to mention hopefully, someday, Justin Patton will be able to crack the rotation too).

    Another way to think of this is-- our Center rotation went three-deep last year, with Cole on the roster. And yet Aldrich never received minutes outside of garbage time. That effectively means we don't need to be worrying about our Center rotation being occupied by three pure centers.

    Further, late in the 4th quarter is when teams are most willing to go small and rely on spacing and outside shooting. Playing Noah and Towns together would absolutely cripple Towns's ability to occupy the block. Noah's range barely extended past 3 ft when he was healthy, and he hasn't been healthy in two years. It's hard for me to think of times in the game where playing Towns & Noah together would be more damaging.

    Lastly, the NBA is flush with centers right now. If we do manage to get out from G's contract, I would have no problem looking to waiver wire type dudes to fill in. Keep in mind: Greg Monroe just signed a minimum contract. Amile Jefferson signed a two-way contract with Magic. Guys that can cover 5-10 minutes at the 5-spot are readily available.
    Tolliver would be much better served as a backup 5 then a backup 3 as well. If we can find a taker for G and it brings back a wing, move him in a heartbeat.


  6. #366
    I dont want Noah. But unfortunatly I think you can pencil him in. Thibs is intent on putting the band back together even if they cant sing or play anymore.


  7. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by Cory View Post
    Tolliver would be much better served as a backup 5 then a backup 3 as well. If we can find a taker for G and it brings back a wing, move him in a heartbeat.
    Cory, we are of the same mind


  8. #368
    https://www.businessinsider.com/kyri...ks-nets-2018-8

    Two league sources told Business Insider that there is a buzz about the Boston Celtics' Kyrie Irving and the Minnesota Timberwolves' Jimmy Butler teaming up next summer, with one source saying the chatter is "substantial."
    The article continues with speculation on the Nets and Knicks as being well positioned to land them.


  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by dschroeder01 View Post
    https://www.businessinsider.com/kyri...ks-nets-2018-8



    The article continues with speculation on the Nets and Knicks as being well positioned to land them.
    I've been saying for a while that I expect them both to end up in Brooklyn. It makes a lot of sense.

    • They supposedly have wanted to play together since Team USA.
    • Kyrie is a NY kid.
    • The Nets have been clearing room to sign a couple Max players.
    • The Nets have quietly put together a really solid front office and coaching staff.
    • The Nets have a bunch of nice roleplayers/complimentary guys, but are lacking stars.


  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by LEvine View Post
    I've been saying for a while that I expect them both to end up in Brooklyn. It makes a lot of sense.

    • They supposedly have wanted to play together since Team USA.
    • Kyrie is a NY kid.
    • The Nets have been clearing room to sign a couple Max players.
    • The Nets have quietly put together a really solid front office and coaching staff.
    • The Nets have a bunch of nice roleplayers/complimentary guys, but are lacking stars.
    I would agree that Brooklyn is a likely spot. It's NY and the coaching staff and FO look solid. Most of their complementary guys are expiring contracts though. Crabbe, Harris and Napier and several guys on rookie deals aren't exactly a full cupboard of complementary talent. It's the East though and they could likely get a big on the cheap to fill out the roster more. Regardless of whether it's Brooklyn or somewhere else, it does seem like there are some heavy footsteps that Jimmy is leaving. I'm already the dreading the "rebuild around KAT and Wiggins" mantra that will come out of TC after Butler leaves. At least Thibs will likely be gone in this scenario...hopefully.


  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by dschroeder01 View Post
    I would agree that Brooklyn is a likely spot. It's NY and the coaching staff and FO look solid. Most of their complementary guys are expiring contracts though. Crabbe, Harris and Napier and several guys on rookie deals aren't exactly a full cupboard of complementary talent. It's the East though and they could likely get a big on the cheap to fill out the roster more. Regardless of whether it's Brooklyn or somewhere else, it does seem like there are some heavy footsteps that Jimmy is leaving. I'm already the dreading the "rebuild around KAT and Wiggins" mantra that will come out of TC after Butler leaves. At least Thibs will likely be gone in this scenario...hopefully.
    I'm not sure the surrounding cast matters THAT much. I think if Butler and Irving are the #1 and #2 guys on the team, they're no better than a 4 seed in the East. They're definitely not beating a healthy Boston or Philly.


  12. #372
    6 hours ago – via DaneMooreNBA
    Dane Moore: The Timberwolves pursued Alexey Shved this summer, per @Emiliano Carchia. Shved’s agent — like many agents this summer — was very disappointed with the size of the offers. It appears likely that the Wolves offer was for the minimum — $1.57 million, in Shved’s case.

    Free Agency, Alexey Shved, Minnesota Timberwolves

    How about that?


  13. #373
    Quote Originally Posted by Nick K View Post
    6 hours ago – via DaneMooreNBA
    Dane Moore: The Timberwolves pursued Alexey Shved this summer, per @Emiliano Carchia. Shved’s agent — like many agents this summer — was very disappointed with the size of the offers. It appears likely that the Wolves offer was for the minimum — $1.57 million, in Shved’s case.

    Free Agency, Alexey Shved, Minnesota Timberwolves

    How about that?
    Apparently a bunch of teams offered him the minimum to come back over.


  14. #374
    I like Shved but don't see how he'd fit on this roster. He's not a good defender, and not a terribly great shooter. He's a playmaker, and we already have more than enough guys that need the ball in their hands to be most effective (that's why I like the Tolliver signing so much). Would be fun to see Shved in the NBA again, but I'm not disappointed at all that it won't be with the Wolves.


  15. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by da_blueprint View Post
    I like Shved but don't see how he'd fit on this roster. He's not a good defender, and not a terribly great shooter. He's a playmaker, and we already have more than enough guys that need the ball in their hands to be most effective (that's why I like the Tolliver signing so much). Would be fun to see Shved in the NBA again, but I'm not disappointed at all that it won't be with the Wolves.
    Our front office has no ability to put together a complimentary roster. Layden was awful at this in his stints as a GM and Thibs is clueless on most GM areas especially roster construction. This is one of those little things that really doesn't matter as one move but really does matter when you look at the totality of Thibs moves since he took over the operations. How you fill out your 9-13 spots can mean the difference between being in the playoffs or out of the playoffs. I think we did alright but it was based on dumb luck as much as anything.

    Thibs throws 30 lines in the water and if someone is interested he would take them and not really think twice about it. Tolliver is an example of this not so much because he's a bad fit, though you can argue he is as another backup 4/5 on a team with no backup wings or small ball 4's, but because they found a way to hardcap themselves with one move in free agency when they had a similar player, albeit a worse fit for the Thibs system in Bjelly. That's an awful way to run a professional sports team.


  16. #376
    Quote Originally Posted by Cory View Post
    Our front office has no ability to put together a complimentary roster. Layden was awful at this in his stints as a GM and Thibs is clueless on most GM areas especially roster construction. This is one of those little things that really doesn't matter as one move but really does matter when you look at the totality of Thibs moves since he took over the operations. How you fill out your 9-13 spots can mean the difference between being in the playoffs or out of the playoffs. I think we did alright but it was based on dumb luck as much as anything.

    Thibs throws 30 lines in the water and if someone is interested he would take them and not really think twice about it. Tolliver is an example of this not so much because he's a bad fit, though you can argue he is as another backup 4/5 on a team with no backup wings or small ball 4's, but because they found a way to hardcap themselves with one move in free agency when they had a similar player, albeit a worse fit for the Thibs system in Bjelly. That's an awful way to run a professional sports team.
    Disagree. Thibs throws 1 line in the water and will fish for a week before he thinks of changing bait.


  17. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by Cory View Post
    Our front office has no ability to put together a complimentary roster. Layden was awful at this in his stints as a GM and Thibs is clueless on most GM areas especially roster construction. This is one of those little things that really doesn't matter as one move but really does matter when you look at the totality of Thibs moves since he took over the operations. How you fill out your 9-13 spots can mean the difference between being in the playoffs or out of the playoffs. I think we did alright but it was based on dumb luck as much as anything.

    Thibs throws 30 lines in the water and if someone is interested he would take them and not really think twice about it. Tolliver is an example of this not so much because he's a bad fit, though you can argue he is as another backup 4/5 on a team with no backup wings or small ball 4's, but because they found a way to hardcap themselves with one move in free agency when they had a similar player, albeit a worse fit for the Thibs system in Bjelly. That's an awful way to run a professional sports team.
    I think signing Tolly and drafting Okogie & KBD signal a slight shift towards a recognition of the need to balance our roster with low usage players that can still compliment the rest of our roster and make an impact. That said, broadly speaking, you’re absolutely right.


  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by da_blueprint View Post
    I think signing Tolly and drafting Okogie & KBD signal a slight shift towards a recognition of the need to balance our roster with low usage players that can still compliment the rest of our roster and make an impact. That said, broadly speaking, you’re absolutely right.
    It does but I did lump those guys in as dumb luck moves. Completely agree that they are the players we need but the draft is a draft so we were likely just taking BPA and it's tough to argue any remaining player had more upside than Okogie at that point this year. If Lonnie Walker had slipped a little more and we had a choice between a more ball dominant athletic wing or Okogie, it may have been a different call. Patton was the ultimate "take BPA". At least by Timberwolves scouting apparently. I have a feeling most teams had him as late first/early 2nd material though which is concerning on it's own. Same could be said for Crawford last summer but I won't rehash that after seeing it for 89 games.


  19. #379
    Quote Originally Posted by Cory View Post
    It does but I did lump those guys in as dumb luck moves. Completely agree that they are the players we need but the draft is a draft so we were likely just taking BPA and it's tough to argue any remaining player had more upside than Okogie at that point this year. If Lonnie Walker had slipped a little more and we had a choice between a more ball dominant athletic wing or Okogie, it may have been a different call. Patton was the ultimate "take BPA". At least by Timberwolves scouting apparently. I have a feeling most teams had him as late first/early 2nd material though which is concerning on it's own. Same could be said for Crawford last summer but I won't rehash that after seeing it for 89 games.
    First of all: I think we're broadly on the same page, so want it to be known that I think we're arguing over smaller details. That said, I disagree. Okogie was in the same general tier as Grayson Allen, Jacob Evans, Khyri Thomas, Gary Trent Jr, and De'Anthony Melton. So grabbing Okogie specifically over those guys - I see that as an intentional move on Thibs's part.

    KBD falling to 48 was total luck.

    Tolliver, though, was clearly an intentional move, especially considering that signing Tolly to the amount we signed him to means we effectively chose him over Bjelica, who expressed willingness to re-sign with us on a 1 yr deal.



 

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